Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co

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Re: international silver bowl-hotel schenley
Its a silverplate piece, the Hotel Schenley had an exclusive contract wiith International Silver , built in the late 1800's this Hotel was a Queen Ship of Hotels,   Many of the most important people of the day entertainment and political lived there ,  it rode the high end wave for years in Pittsburgh until they built the statium for the Pittsburgh Pirates ,  visiting ballteams stayed there and a wave of havoc started the downfall of the hotel , as Pittsburgh built up the hotel could not compete ,  I cant remember when but the university of pittsburgh purchased it some years ago and evently restored it to student housing and offices.
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Re: International Silver
International Silver made sterling , silver and silverplate , most is silverplate and as far as I know sterling and silver were clearly marked
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Re: Barbour silver cigar box

By International conventions all items made of precious metals such as silver in Europe and
North America carry marking to indicate their level of purity, such as the word "Sterling",
numbers such as " 925" ( 925/1000 parts pure), "800" ( 800/1000 parts pure) or stamped
markings referred to as " Hall Marks" that indicate the date made, the maker, city of origin
and metal content. The lack of any such markings indicates this set is most likely silver plated.

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I have a tea pot with the

I have a tea pot with the same marking however mine is Royal Orleans Hotel

 

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International Silver

That's just the name of the company. American Sterling silver is generally marked " Sterling" or bears the numerical "925" which stands for 925/1000ths pure silver, ( which is Sterling),  the word "Coin" or the numerical "800" which stands for 800/1000ths pure silver. If none of those markings are present it is most likely silverplated .

 

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Re: I need help with a piece
Oneida made a pattern called carlton in the late 1800's but as far as I know it was all silverware no serving pieces , think yours might be from the late 1950's there were pieces marked carlton silverplate and the pattern was Valerie ,   this looked like this tops of a wheat stalk and there also was the brentwood lakewood romona that was like small flowers or beading , hard to say with yours since you dont define your pattern but you can date it to the late fifties early sixties
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Re: Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co

Quadruple dates back to the late 1800's up to about 1925 , this is probably an older piece more towards the turn of the century but if it is the right mark a half circle it dates to the twenties when they used that mark

Barbour silver company was a relatively small outfit , international silver bought about alot of companies in 1898 ,  Barbour was purchased in 1899 with two or three other companies.   In the early 1880's Barbour came to New Haven and with his brother formed Barbour Bros,  at this time they only marketed for a company called IJ Stearne and Co., by 1889 the brothers were operating in Hartford as the Barbour silver company and than aquired by the interantionl silver company in 1899

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Re: Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co

Hard to tell you about piece since you give no information ,   I know International silver used an eagle and stars but I am not familiar with the Swan , could do better had I not lost a huge library of information in hurricance Charley that I have not even started to replace.  I do know the swan imprint was used by silvermakers to indicate imported from france 

Hard to tell anything without at least some pictures and a really defined description

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Re: Simpson Hall & Miller/International Silver Co

Hall Miller and Simpson made detailed pieces , their mark survived till the very early 1900's , the were located in Wallingford Conn and as far as I remember used local glass companies and not sure if they used the majors, their work was much more to quality than quantity.  This should be a sterling piece accompanied by American Brillant Glass probably from logo description it dates to about 1890.  would love to see it wish you had included a picture

The best ABG is very very clear , their is a light bit of cloudiness in some of the ABG pieces, this came from owners of the big glass houses when they found their  rising costs in labor could be offset  by dipping pieces quickly in acid wash , final result was very close to hand polished pieces but you can see the subtle difference 

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Re: What is Brazil Silver?

It means they are not silver , there is several silver names that have nothing to do with silver and Brazil was one of the marks.  

 The in late 19th and early 20th Centuries, nickel silver flatware items were sold under a variety of names  including Brazil Silver. These all tend to be silvery-looking alloys. They were advertised as being a superior alternative to silver plated wares because they never never lost or wore through the silver plating. Brazilian Silver, though, is not silverplated and nickel silver is not silver

Confusing isnt it , sorry I could not give you better news

Rob and Michelle 

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Re: Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co
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Re: Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co

Barbour Silver Co. was organized in 1892 by Samuel L. Barbour, and others. In Aug. 1893, they took over some of the machinery and stock of the Hartford Silver Plate Co., organized in 1882 and believed to have been carried on for a short time under the name of Hartford Silver Co. When the International Silver Co. was formed in 1898, Samuel L. Barbour, who had been active head of Barbour Silver Co. for several years, continued as manager of that branch (known as factory A) and was made a director of the new Co. and remained for several years after the plant was moved to the buildings formerly occupied by the Meriden Silver Plate Co. Samuel L. Barbour was born in Norwalk, Conn. about 1865 and died in San Francisco, Nov. 11, 1925. I believe the piece you have is Silver Plate. Hope this helps.

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Re: Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co

Barbour Silver Co was a legitimate Co. You mention that is indicates, "Quadruple" and no mention if it Indicates "Quadruple Plate" which would indicate an authentic Barbour Silver Co. Piece. I would have it appraised to authenticate. A lot of companies where imitating makers marks and flooding the market with forged pieces for their own personal gain. Most likely your piece is Silver Plate as Quadruple Plate woud not be the mark for High Quality Silver such as, 925/1000 fine, with 75/1000 of added metal, usually copper, to give it strengh and stiffness. Use caution and do some research before you purchase any item of substantial cost. Hope this helps.

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Re: Barbour Silver Co/International Silver Co

Maureen It sounds like you have the same piece I do   It is a large tray with handle on the side, very heavy

I have absolutely no info on this but I will let you know that my grandmother received it for her wedding in the late 1940's along with a few other pieces. 

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Re: International Silver
I obtained several silver plated or silver items from a great Aunt one has a sticker on it that reads, " International Silver Company", and this sticker is over some engraving underneath. I haven't removed the sticker to read what is under it. I'm afraid it will lessen it's value. This is not a big plater more so a small relish(?) tray. Just wanting to know what or how I should go about finding out more info. on the items she's left me. Not so much for money, but the history behind them. I also have a butter dish, like a claim shell, with a glass linning in it from England. There are letter on it, " F & JL" at least that is what it looks like to me. The knife has, "E&J. Leeks" thats what I think I see anyhow. Can you help? Any advise would be helpful. Thanks Jenn.
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Re: Barbour S.P. International Silver

Was there ever a time that Barbour did not put a mark on any of their pieces?
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